This episode strips the gloss off AI workflows. Adrie and Seyna dig into why there’s no silver bullet, how LLMs’ non-determinism breaks “set-and-forget,” and where human-in-the-loop is non-negotiable. Adrie shares a real pipeline across Gemini, Midjourney, and Canva for social visuals (and why each model is a different “teammate”), while Seyna explains the one place she truly automates end-to-end: meeting notes into follow-ups and tasks. They debate prompting vs conversational AI, the rise of generalists, and how to keep rigor without losing speed.
AI workflows (without the magic)
Real talk on LLMs, humans-in-the-loop, and the "magic" that's sold to us when discussing AI workflows
Oct 30, 2025
W(h)ine + AI
A product Gen-Zer and a marketing millennial walk into into a bar... sorry I mean a podcast. Knee-deep in building digital coworkers and introducing agentic AI to the world beyond devs and first-adopters, Seyna Diop and Adrie Smith Ahmad are ready to break down the latest AI topics that everyone seems to be talking about. Oh, and let’s not forget the wine.
A product Gen-Zer and a marketing millennial walk into into a bar... sorry I mean a podcast. Knee-deep in building digital coworkers and introducing agentic AI to the world beyond devs and first-adopters, Seyna Diop and Adrie Smith Ahmad are ready to break down the latest AI topics that everyone seems to be talking about. Oh, and let’s not forget the wine.Listen on
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